Every person is individually responsible to God and will be judged according to the beliefs and practices he or she freely chooses. They knew it would be an investment in your giving and service to them (yes they are that evil). 22 And when you swear by heaven, you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! The end of November we were going to break up because of physical abuse so instead sought counseling for our pastor and his wife. This is just another sidetrack from the gospel of of Christ.We are to love one another and build up the church. Take a look here: https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament. Not of works, lest any man should boast. If you believe that someone who smokes, drinks, parties, dances, listens to secular music, listens to Christian contemporary music, etc. 10. God forgave me because Jesus Christ saved me. This led to calls to evict Stedfast Baptist Church from its location at a strip mall in Watauga, Texas. If I chose to forgive him there would be hope for our relationship. If this life of inner peace is what I can have without feeling the need to write long lists then Ill take it. Mind your own business. Our pastor dont take any credit he passes praise the church gives to him towards God. 23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. your comments are offensive, you are narrow minded. anything that even remotely appears to be worldly means that you arent being separate, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 44. No member shall Freedom of choice demands personal responsibility. If you pray using KJV language (thee, though, ye, etc. Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. You should read my article on that: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, Dont get me wrong but tithing is still scriptural, even within the New Testament. An independent Baptist Missionary (24 years in Romania) has posted a site The Laymans Biblical Handbook. More than 200 doctrines at http://www.thelaymansbiblicalhandbook.com/ The True Church: The doctrine of a believer's church is a key belief in Baptist life. We went to th IFB church that next day to say we went to get them off our back. They were not Ignorant Fungicidal Blaptists. It didnt raise red flags for me. While I am not against crucifixes but using them in public worship is idolatry because the bible forbids idols. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. God has given each institution specific Biblical responsibilities and has balanced those responsibilities with the understanding that no institution has the right to infringe upon the other. (Genesis 2:24; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:20-32; I Corinthians 5:1; 6:9; I Thessalonians 4:l-8; Hebrews 13:4), We believe that human life begins at conception and that the unborn child is a living human being. I dont think its as bad as all this, but thats my 2 cents and maybe Im still on the inside.. You got me I am an IFB college grad. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. I found this site while checking for deceptions in different denominations, starting with Mormons. Many of these are down right untruthful . You wont go in yourselves, and you dont let others enter either. They are usually so full of themselves, because they went straight from salvation to knowledge, and Peter says to add to your faith virtue, and THEN go to knowledge, 2 Peter 1:5. Thanks for being thankful for the grace God has giving us. Luke 8:17, Daniel 2:22, Luke 12:2. 22 of the congregations are in 16 U.S. states, one in British Columbia, three are in the Philippines, two are in the Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland, and one congregation is located in the South African town of Middelburg. 9. Those who judge people like that WILL BE judged the same way, PERIOD. If you refuse to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcoholic beverages, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 27. What surprises me, though, is that he was ordained as a pastor and actually called to pastor DL Moodys church in Massachusetts as a divorced man. Amen! God forgave because Jesus saved. No one is "born into the church." The parable of the prodigal son is talking about Israel the younger and Judah the elder. Jack Hyles came to our church and you would have thought Jesus himself was preaching! Although some Independent Baptist churches refuse affiliation with Baptist denominations, various Independent Baptist Church denominations have been founded. I know the answers now. Why would I even send a lost loved one to church instead of sharing the gospel with them for that matter? Fellowship, guidance, and encouragement of the local church family are essential for believers to maintain an unwavering testimony and a meaningful life of service. 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I have attended an IB Church my entire life (34 years). If you think that other than suits and ties for men is too casual for Sundays While I dont believe that you must dress up for church with suits and ties, however, I do believe we should honor God in His house by dressing up. [13] Robertson had previously attracted media attention after he stated that gay people should be shot and New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern should "go home and get in the kitchen". 38. How will you escape the judgment of hell? Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception, You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if, https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/, https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/, https://baptistdeception.com/reasons-for-not-accepting-the-kjv-as-gods-preserved-word-a-response-to-pastor-james-melton/, https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament, http://www.thelaymansbiblicalhandbook.com/, Broad Stroking and Sweeping Generalizations Fallacy, Harold Camping Fails to Predict the Rapture, The 10 Commandments of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, 92-Year-Old Woman Kicked Out of Church for not Tithing. You might be an IFB if Your child has went to church there 3x a week, his whole life, but when he leaves the church, your to have nothing to do with them. Get over it and work to rebuild the relationships instead of tearing down. I get the vibe that you were alienate by IFB movement at some point, as were a lot of us, but dont try to use that as an excuse to go on a crusade against fellow believers. We believe that all the saved should live in such a manner as not to bring reproach upon their Savior and Lord; and, that separation from all religius apostasy, all worldly and sinful pleasures, practices and associations is commanded of God (II Timothy 3:1-5; Romans 12:1, 2, 14:13; I John 2:15-17; II John 9-11; II Corinthians 6:14-7:1). WebEvery active member wishing to speak shall rise and respectfully address the moderator. I want no part of it except to expose it for what it is cultish. People are more willing to change their ways when confronted in love rather then with criticism and bitterness. Jesus said I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.. Judah has always been with God. People to Be Executed", "Deported NZ pastor Logan Robertson shows no remorse for harassing 'sissy' Muslims", "Police investigating Auckland pastor who threatened homosexuals", "Advocates urge supporters to ask landlord to evict Stedfast Baptist", "North Texas church that called for execution of gay people won't be evicted", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Independent_Fundamentalist_Baptist&oldid=1142179437, Baptist denominations established in the 21st century, Anti-Islam sentiment in the United States, Organizations that oppose LGBT rights in the United States, Christian organizations established in 2017, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 28 February 2023, at 23:30. In thinking back, I see that the church was filled with tiny idols like that. Steve, Im a 29 year old pastor of an independent Baptist church. At one point in my life I would have agreed with 45 of your 55 litmus tests, plus a few others. If you think that the title Pastor is a synonym for the Man of God or the voice of God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. If your church funnels in inner city kids via a bus ministry, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 24. The home, the church, and the state are equal and sovereign in their respective Biblically assigned spheres of responsibility under God. Hypocrites! What your pastor told you is a severe twisting of scripture (if he even used scripture). Mental health issues is a result of sin and poor choices same position with my belief concerning IFB 48. And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? XII. His mom, Dorothy Chrisman, was a teacher at the academy run by Fairhaven. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. 23. If you believe that clapping after special music is wrong because it gives praise to the performer rather than to God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 16. I found that 10 of those apply to me and Im not even IFB. THE LAST THINGS These Independent Fundamental Baptists appear to be inconsistent, and so misguided. 29 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. The Baptist Distinctives are easy to remember using the acronym B.A.P.T.I.S.T.S. Jesus does that. 5 Hypocrite! If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. [4][5], A split in the New IFB occurred in January 2019, after Donnie Romero, pastor at Stedfast Baptist Church-Fort Worth (SBC), resigned after it was revealed he had hired prostitutes, smoked marijuana and gambled. I prefer Kjv! If your your church funnels in the inner city kids via a bus ministry We dont have a bus ministry since the city of the church I go to is small. Im so thankful for Gods grace on your life and the lives of your family. I was married when I attended before and now as a divorced woman, I know I probably would be looked down upon. We struggled putting off our addictions, but over came them trough prayer. 20. I do agree that its not sinful about renting movies or watching them on TV. Maybe one day I can reach your level of acceptance and spirituality. If that doesnt raise red flags for you I dont know what will. Pastor and his wife knew where we lived and probably wondered why, but they never asked or pried. But I do know some churches practice free will offerings instead of tithing. You should do something else with the time God has aloud you.Nonsense is not what people need to hear. Tithing was around since before the Law of Moses. 33 Snakes! The pastor our local congregation is the preaching elder and most Churches of Christ avoid the term, Pastor, when addressing their ministers. I did learn a lot. 28. (Hello to all my fellow-tithers!!!) Using guitars in church is too liberal That was not the case at the church I grew up in when the last pastor I had when he came to Mountain Church of Christ when he first arrived (which is instrumental though membership is small). I had my part. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. The members were so sweet to us. If you think that the title Pastor is the synonym for the man of God this is not the case in the church I go to. Even when the family goes on vacation, we go to church. If you think that the hymnal in the pew is inspired by God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 23. Hmm, I cant think of a better word to describe the workings of the IFB! If you think that mental health issues (depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, etc.) 2. The other thing is: Nowhere in the bible are we commanded to attend a regular CHURCH building and dress nice. What your pastor told you is extremely dangerous and silly. If your not getting a lot out of your bible read I would recommend a switch to Kjv and to define any word you dont know Slow down reading and meditate on what your reading dont read as a duty each day but as a searching for fellowship each day. "[3], The New IFB was formed by Anderson and other Baptist pastors in 2017 in an attempt to revive what they perceived older independent Baptist churches once represented. If you feel guilty for not having devotions 7 days a week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 42. Smoking in itself is not sin but I do agree that smoking can cause teeth decay, lung cancer, breast cancer, etc. Others are very much unfair criticism. No, but I wanted to send the rest of my life with him. Its pure manipulation. 25. If I couldnt tolerate anyone saying something different I would instruct the site moderator to delete comments such as yours. We did 2 weeks of counseling and got married at the end of our last session. I believe being separate is doing what God has commanded you to do. LOL. We believe the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments to be the Bible, as it is in truth, the Word of God (I Thessalonians 2:13). Hypocrites! We dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. 3. Yes but this is my concern about the IFB beliefs and I understand this was written to make it funny. Please dont mistake this for a lack of respect or an attempt to minimize the seriousness of the abuse that happens among the Independent Fundamental Bapitsts. My pastor and his wife sent evil. I believe the Bible, and if you do not believe the Bible and hate what the Bible teaches, it is because your opinion is more important to you, than what the Bible says, and if that be so, then there is really no reason for you to go to church in the first place. I am unsure if she was already a member before her husband passed or not. The pew hymnal is inspired by God While I favor hymns but I wouldnt necessarily say that because even though I do use the hymnal, most people at the church I go to now sing from the Power Point. Jack hyles was an adulterous heretic. Belief number 51 is absolutely wrong. We ONLY pray to God because saints dont serve as mediators to God the Father. If you think anything other than a suit and tie for men is too casual for Sundays, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 11. I was in an IFB church for eight years and left because the weight of never feeling that I would be good enough for this church had worn me down. Israel was the prodical.. judah is the elder son that was jealous of israel.. Study The prodigal son and the two houses of Israel. I love psychology and I love my bible I use them together with Discernment from the Holy Spirit. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. Those myths are addressed in my article: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, I dont need to wait. Back then, you had to wear your Sunday best. 3 And why worry about a speck in your friends eye when you have a log in your own? around the world wherever our Lord directs. Well Pastor Wilkerson is no longer here, and welllll.as far as Im concerned will never be the same. Attending all three, in my opinion, is optional. So, are you happy about that, or wanting to change? Thanks for reading! WebOur Mission. Please trust me when I tell you that your IFB church (as most other IFB churches) is preying on you. I forgave and praise the lord in my life forgiveness was indeed profitable. If this method were a stock, who would invest in it with such a low return. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. God Bless. Very few men are qualified to be pastors using your interpretation of scripture. 3 1/2 years ago we were addicted to marijuana, cigarettes, alcohol, and pills. When I read what you have written, I sense that you are bitter, hurt, angry, and possibly disillusioned. If you had one opportunity to send a lost love one time to any church , which would it be ? Pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body My preacher never preaches that though there are very few people at my current church that smoke. Most Christians believe everything in the Bible. If you believe that you can tell who the good Christians are and who the bad Christians are by looking at the fruit in their lives, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 51. His son a child murderer. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. 8. There are some things that the IFB does very well, such as fellowship. We recognize the ordinances of baptism by immersion in water and the Lord's Supper as a Scriptural means of testimony for local churches in this age (Matthew. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: If you believe that stateaccreditationfor a college is bad because it means that the government dictates what that college can/does teach,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 30. If your church sings Just As I Am at the end of every service We sing that song once in a while since its a good invitational song. 11. Do you realize this was written as humorous piece ? I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. It teaches parents to use their authority to prod, guide, and correct their children. Baptists are traditionally strong believers in Biblical authority. WebNo denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. To the author, I hope youll be okay someday and if you can find a way to dig out that root I think youll find peace. Even if you cant tithe now you can still serve in some way and later when you are able to improve your financial situation they will get your tithe. There are those who are called to rebuke abusive religious practices. [5], In 2021, the NIFB-affiliated First Works Baptist Church in El Monte, California was bombed with an improvised explosive device. Stil fit. Tithing is also commanded in the bible and we are to give because he loves us and give with a joyful heart. 2Co 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; You said we dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. Its never spoken but up there to read. We believe that eternal life is the present possession of every believer (John 6:37-40, 10:27-30; Romans 8:1, 38-39; I Corinthians 1:4-8; I Peter 1:4-5; Jude 1, 2). We should teach our children of who Jesus is and how we should live a holy or Christian life. Clearly only one unforgivable sin is mentioned in the Bible (KJV even) and that isnt it. Does he always heal people no. 9 And dont address anyone here on earth as Father, for only God in heaven is your Father. Do you know what Jesus told the Pharisees? I love the Lord with all my heart-I attend church when I want and where I wantbut mostly I have bible studies with Christian friends in coffee shops, homes, and restaurants and (I usually have on a pair of blue jeans. Landlord Cody Johnson later agreed not to evict Stedfast Baptist from the Watauga location after communicating with Stedfast's lawyer.[15][16]. 10 And dont let anyone call you Teacher, for you have only one teacher, the Messiah. People can ask for clarification if they want. If you believe that everyone who opposes IFB doctrine is just bitter, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 48. Here are my concerns about the beliefs since I am not Independent Baptist, Southern Baptist, or part of any Baptist affiliation: Me and my husband got saved 3 1/2 years ago at an IFB church. Hope you have a great day! The Bible terms pastor, elder, and bishop refer to different responsibilities for the same office. Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:1-5: Judge not, that ye be not judged. If you believe that you will be rewarded or punished according to whether or not youve tithed faithfully, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 47. WebAn independent, fundamental Baptist, local church oriented faith Mission serving Baptist and Bible churches in their missions outreaches and church planting around the world. If you attend a church that has a team of men who are charged with keeping an attendance count each Sunday, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 43. Everyone has sent in their life. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. If you believe that the IFB isnt a denomination because they are Independent, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 37. You can be a better Christian IF you repent of your sins and turn away from them and if you can grow spiritually. when you run into her at Wal*Mart. Gospel Light Baptist Church, Albany, Georgia. Independent Baptist churches (some also called Independent Fundamental Baptist or IFB) are Christian congregations, generally holding to conservative (primarily fundamentalist) Baptist beliefs. The abuse would continue and they would be dead and their child would be in foster care. Much to their horror, they could not find a church that had a Wednesday night service anywhere in the area. I can forgive people for offenses committed against me. Hypocrites! Christ died for his sin already, so he had already been forgiven by God. They are already spelled out in the Bible. We believe that Jesus Christ died for every man, and that each individual chooses to accept or reject the grace of God (Hebrews 2:9; I John 2:2). Looks like youve forgotten to include haircuts (length and style of hair). The tradition of men, human opinion, false science, religious creeds, nor popular opinion override the plain teaching of God's Word. No, thats silly! No denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. I came to get a few laughs but it sounds like you were really hurt by some church growing up. Not all churches are the same and if they are teaching Bible, they do teach about sin, and it should not be to make you feel any constraint towards the pastor to get away from that sin, but to learn to have some personal conviction that their sins need to be addressed, but THEY have to make that decision. I sought counciling to see if there was anything in the Bible that could give Hope to our relationship. sad stuff particularly the responses from obviously brainwashed bible folks. If you look down on people who are divorce That is absolutely wrong. Growing up in a very conservative IFB church, I can personally attest to how accurate most of these were. You feel forced to go door to door preaching No general opinion on this since door to door preaching within the IFB is very similar to that of the Jehovahs Witnesses though we should share the gospel to others, especially to those who dont have Christ in their lives. N/A If you think that reading a version of the Bible other than the KJV is a sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 18. )(yikes), because I never want to put that church building and hierarchy that rules it above Christ. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. A IFB member knocked on my door one Saturday and invited us to church. I received these because of lies that I was single with no income. 4 How can you think of saying to your friend, Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye, when you cant see past the log in your own eye? We believe that the clear message of salvation is repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21). 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Its concept of an ecclesiastical Kingdom is not supported by Scripture. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Should I choose not to forgive after Christ has already died for him? I hope whatever poor experience you had hasnt taken you away from the faith. Then they paid for your reception, photographers and shower? OMG! If you pray using the KJV language I dont pray like that except when I recite the Lords Prayer because nobody talks like that anymore. 53. We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. And that boy who has grown up in Sunday School (because I brought him in my car every week) is now in 6th grade and has experienced the concept of unconditional love and promises that are kept things which would otherwise have been foreign. 28:19-20; Acts 2:41-42, 18:18; I Corinthians 11:23-26). 41. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin.