Instead of using the word slaves, they were paid $per head and this made their enslavement different from that of blacks,so they became Indentured servants so were..the Asians mostly Indians..all the Mcdonald McCain McCoy all the Mc are Scottish ..to increased the whites population they send debtors ,who couldnt pay what they owe, and repeat criminals , the later date up to 1918 children were removed from orphanages from all across England. The Scots-Irish are not Irish. Many families, however, integrated into Gaelic society and changed their Norman name to Gaelic and then Anglo equivalents: the Powers, the Fitzpatricks, Fitzgeralds, Devereux, Redmonds. Indentured servitude was a form of bonded labour, whereby a migrant agreed to work for a set period of time (between two and seven years) and in return the cost of the voyage across the Atlantic was covered. As an African American woman with an Irish last name, i knew the Irish were slaves and figured thats how i got my last name. It probably started out as a nickname given to a swarthy or darker-skinned person. Over the centuries, Ireland has seen much change, with invasion by the Anglo-Normans in the 12th century, followed by British colonisation in the 16th/17th century moments which significantly shaped our history. Its meaning varies and such differences are contingent upon time and place. So, to put the record straight, find out below about the Black Irish. All the people who were desperately trying to find something or someone to debunk irish slavery never looked at his credentials lol ..Liam hogan again isnt a irish historian, he is a self taught librarian,yet he is on 20 some odd websites and 30 some odd blogs lol hahahaha like are u guys serious????? I have been unsuccessful with finding all the data you have, will you please site the sources from your research? There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. Have you heard of people of Irish descent as "Black Irish.". Baltimore was an english town, the pirates were directed to it by an Irishman (Hackett), and the english inhabitants were shipped off to North Africa. Those issues are the racism, the bigotry and the discrimination we face daily. And it seems that this strategy to retitle oneself to reveal ones stance or clan was a popular thing to do. In contrast, however, at this same period in history, predominately, the Portuguese and Spanish were colonizing and enslaving the indigenous population of the South America continent. Famous Sheehans include bass guitarist Billy Sheehan and American writer Susan Sheehan. Salem, Massachusetts. They either came to America as slaves, or moved to America in more modern times. They entered into an indentured agreement, which was recorded (and can be viewed on many online resources) for a fixed period of time and were subject to the same laws as all subjects of the King. Ireland and its culture are known world-over. There is a very large difference between the two terms and are often conflated. Such a great read! II, 1656-1662. When a White indentured servant or slave walked away or escaped his master or owner, he or she could go just about any place they choose and live their lives as free White people. As for how, I insist on the qualifier some, of the Blacks got their last names, I think this may just be embellished truth. I am African American and my last name is Mclilly. and then share it for the world to see. 2) Even if it were 100,000 of them (which it wasnt) , it is already documented that many of them were indentured servants-not slaves and theres a huge difference! Moore 21. They live as second class citizens and are called red-legs and red-necks etc by the rest of the population due to their fair skins getting burned by the sun. Slavers were greed driven sadists. if you dont believe it, then so be it, I want to believe it because I know the lady very well, that shared another ladies work for us, be kind to one another, because the good book says we are all related, because of Adam and Eve. Do you not believe that the Irish people suffered for centuries under British domination ? So, f**ck the traitorous bastards. Still, you probably ask your colleague or friend its meaning, and theyre likely to draw a blank. Africans (Hamites) did not sell their own ppl. that because they werent born into chattel their plight isnt worth acknowledgement. An indentured servant is not a slave. Their original homeland was Monaghan, where their surname is still the most common. Word of warning: My commentary rivals the original article in length. Blog where a high school dropout or even a liam hogan can go and change irish slavery to irish indentured servitude on a daily basis lolto those who used him as your source grow up!!!!!! This whole conversion of who had it worse is nonsensical. Are we interested in championing numbers or political views here? Such things only serve to bring further division among human beings. Variant of Doherty. I do know my last name Orr is Scottish Irish but I dont know much else. So ran another search on that and got this: http://www.libraryireland.com/names/od/o-dubhdaleithe.php. The majority of Irish did not immigrate till after the close of the atlantic slave trade, and towards the civil war, or until the opening of the 20th century. Please advise. These are not the same. If it were slavery, as the Africans suffered, it would have been called slavery. In fact, ODubhghaill is the Gaelic version of the very popular Irish surname ODoyle. go and watch the black irish of monsaretti they are proud of there irish hertiage and know that there ancsters were from ireland and africa. The mortality rate of enslaved Africans during the slave trade was so high that white planters had to replace entire popoulations of 30,000 plus people every 5-7 years. There was discrimination and stereotyping of Irish, and there were many Irish supporting the abolition movement, and later solidarity with the civil rights movement. This type if reporting saddens me and is quite irresponsible. Regardless of the disputable facts of this particular article; Whites have been/are subjected to same level of cruel slavery as well. The truth is African-American is not your true nationality. You also havent delved into how racism could have played into how African and Irish slaves were treated. This article tries to make it seem as if black slaves had it far better than Irish slaves or indentured servants. Please do your own research to find out about white slavery in the Americas. It is possible that the term "Black Irish" may have referred to some of these immigrant groups as a way of distinguishing them from the "Gaels," the people of ultimately Celtic origin. Dirst the Spaniards/Portuguese outlawed enslaving Christians long before British had slaves in the Americas. By calling yourself black you are giving your power away. I have a very Irish last nameMurphy, enjoy and thanks for sharing Konnetta! It was the Jim Crow laws and the Redlining that did the most damage. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. My great great great great grandfathers name is the same as mine. Third, the names come from the Scots-Irish slaveholders. If you cant even get that right!!!! There really is no comparison! Unlike Africans, Irish indentured servants could buy their way out of slavery. They can reveal locations or even a familys trade, such as a fisherman, for example. Famous Kellys include actor and director Gene Kelly, 20th-century artist Ellsworth Kelly, and actress and Princess of Monaco Grace Kelly. For those of you wondering which Irish family names are most-popular today, your wait is finally over! But you lost me where you said Irish slaves were treated worse than African slaves. McLoughlin 22. This is what I could find so far: No statistical reference to Ireland at least on Ancestry: The Irish people are native to the island country. Yet, as a subject of historical discussion, it is almost never referred to in Ireland. Sign up to IrishCentral's newsletter to stay up-to-date with everything Irish! Very interesting. Whether or not this was an actual invasion or rather a more gradual migration and assimilation of their culture by the native Irish is open to conjecture, but there is sufficient evidence to suggest that this latter explanation is more likely. African slaves were very expensive, slave trade controlled by Spain/Portugal/Netherlands, all enemies of Cromwell so he created another supply line. http://www.irelandseye.com/irish/traditional/names/first/dudley.shtm, The name Dudley in Ireland is often of immigrant origin having been introduced into Ulster Province by settlers from England and Scotland, especially during the seventeenth century. There were thousands of indentured white servants in England during the same time. Britains famed Oliver Cromwell furthered this practice of dehumanizing ones next door neighbor. Norman-Catholic gentry? Africans were *things*. Other theories suggest that the term Black Irish results from Irish immigrants. now what were we to do not fight back the ira would never of been invented had the brits not tortured us and refused us basic human rights. Race was judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. One last thing, the only person / historian if you can really call him that ,since he is really just a flippin Englishman from Ireland .really he is descended from English lords which is why he is on ten different websites promoting irish slavery is a myth. What a lot of people dont know is that Irish were slaves too, hundreds of thousands were sent to work in the West Indies and they blended with the black slaves thus we have Irish names like McFadden, McDonalds, etc. Connolly 24. Were revealing where the term comes from and who exactly the term is referring to. Meaning: Son of the blacksmith. Scott is a very popular surname. Do you have any references from which I can further research this? Each of these immigrant groups had their own physical characteristics and all, with the exception of the Ulster Planters, assimilated to some degree into Irish society, many claiming to be "more Irish than the Irish themselves". I wish the writer had included some references. I have always found that a fascinating sociological subject, whether its worthy of study is doubtful. Where can I learn more about Irish names? Protestant landholders? OBrien has been a prominent surname in Ireland for centuries. Top 100 Irish surnames 1. The whole thing is rotten no matter who. What have the IRISH contributed to Louisisanas unique and amalgamated cultural heritage like the Cajuns, Creoles and blacks have?!!!!! everyone in my family has Irish last names and when looking at my family tree, the ones who are listed as mulattoes in my family have no father listed, but have their mother listed as negro. Thank you. The term "Black Irish" has been in circulation among Irish emigrants and their descendants for centuries. Are the Australian Aborigines to be categorized in this same way although, willingly or unwillingly, they didnt participate in the same slave trade and share no (at least within the past several thousand years) common history with the African Blacks? When someone thinks of American culture they think of Scots-Irish. This is not a racial issue; it is humanitarian issue! Lets not forget the largely convenient (for the British) Great Famine (one of many actually, and not the greatest either) with saw 1 to 2 million starve to death, and several more million emigration since the Plantation, settlement and colonization of Ireland. Chances are, you can find her drinking coffee in some hidden gem cafe in Dublin, planning her next big trip. Father indentured from Ireland mother African slave. Other names. Well, human enough to retain their own name. While these forced deportees would have included political prisoners and serious felons, it is believed that the majority came from the poor and vulnerable. We shouldnt be in the business of a numbers game when it comes measuring ils with a much smaller indigenous culture (the native Gaelic Catholics) of Ireland with as compared to the West and Sub-Saharan African regions. I would ask when was the last time a police-person STOPED you just because you looked the part of something bad O or you go to a nice store and your treated as if your a thief. I never heard of Irish chattel slavery until the last few years. http://theirishwereslavestoo.tumblr.com/post/120600939730/debunked-the-global-research-article-on-irish, Maybe those books can help youtheres many more, this is not something made up by one person on one website. I think you should be careful in your condemnation of what you apparently arent aware of, Gaelic Catholic culture of Ireland was subjected to English Protestant Supremacy, and Penal Laws imposed by the English Parliamentarian Cromwell in his brutal conquest of Ireland saw to it that the Gaelic Catholic culture be prohibited. Irish whiskey producer Black Irish has agreed to rebrand and sell its name to singer Mariah Carey's cream liqueur brand following a two-year legal battle. & why St.Patricks day is arguably one of the most celebrated holidays on the island. This is incorrect information. People hardly wanna learn African names now and wanna say Ill call you _______ but anyway I have an Irish last name because of my moms dad but I also have a French last name that originated in Germany. Argentina, Mexico, and New Zealand also share in high numbers of Irish descendants. One of the most famous people with the surname Quinn is actor Aidan Quinn. King James II and Charles I also led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Well never know for sure. So ledgers are a great place to start, but the the ending point. The bad words Jamaicans curse originated from Ireland. Best we can all do is read. England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. Tim the first Commodore of the Ciast Gusrd. The largest number of Irish descendants reside in the United States, while in Australia, those sharing in Irish ancestry account for a higher percentage of the population than in any other country, except Ireland. Although they did suffer as the Africans, they were also afforded certain privileges not afforded to African slaves. Interesting write up Eddie McFields. 3) even if they were 100,000 Irish slaves (which there were not) how dare you attempt to chastise us for talking about the African holocaust? There are a number of different claims as to the origin of the term, none of which are possible to entirely prove or disprove. The Essex Institute: Salem, 1912. In many cases freed slaves took the surname of people who were also kind to them. Reblogged this on familytreegirldotcom and commented: The Black Irish - what are the truths and what are the myths? Their names would have, at this point, been changed to more Anglicised versions. The way you glossed over this with comments like The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls with African men, as if the African men (and women and children) werent also being raped, and bred with each other and Irish people and slave owners. The Kelley family name was found in the USA, the UK, Canada, and Scotland between 1840 and 1920. I think we have a Black and White view of slavery in general that fails to embrace the reality of admixture insistent on purity much like Jim Crow laws. Famous ORourkes are child actresses and sisters Tammy and Heather ORourke. Famous Dalys include American actress Tyne Daly, television host Carson Daly, and actress and TV personality Tess Daly. Today some 6.7 million people live on the Emerald Isle. However, most Blacks in the USA dont have to deal with slavery. Wants take a guess on my choice of colors ; Brown, White, Blue, and Black . why do so many people dismiss the truth about irish slave black and white people dismiss the truth. The most famous OFarrell is actress Bernadette OFarrell. The Irish were indentured servants, similar to Africans in the 1600s. Black Irish (film), 2007 independent film by Brad Gann. They could be biological descendants of an Irish or Scottish family. At least they were able to join the white establishment due to their color. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers. Cathal OByrne As I Roved Out: A Book of The North. All this purity has got to go, and the truth come out!!! It might be better to compare them to certain tribes that were all but decimated out would it not? Not from being bread with Irish. The turnover would not be that high if whites treated enslaved blacks with even a modicum of kindness. Were they Anglo-Irish landlords? How did they enter said contract in the first place? [8]The Black Male Incarceration Problem is Real and Catastrophic Huffington Post. Blacks could not blend in to normal society because most Blacks where slaves and most were not educated and they were not accepted in major segments of the country as entirely human. She was so angry, thats not what Jesus looks like, so I said how do you know,? Famous McCarthys include Pulitzer Prize-winning American novelist Cormac McCarthy and actress Melissa McCarthy. My Mom is Caucasion and Scottish. If they committed a crime that warranted jail time, they deserved the sentence. Immigrant groups throughout history have generally been treated poorly by the indigenous population (or by those who simply settled first). So whats my point; well its not to minimize the history of Black slaves. Dunne 28. 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Yet, many often state that the first Celts arrived on the island of Ireland around 500 BC. Something to keep in mind as you read. In Gaelic, the Irish native language, the word for black (or dark) is dubh, and foreigner is gall. Captured irish were SLAVES, and nothing but slaves, no matter how these hysterical (fake) leftists are trying to prove otherwise. The notion that plantation owners fathered most mixed children is also false. In Gaelic, the Irish native language, the word for black (or dark) is 'dubh', and foreigner is 'gall'. Impregnating Black slaves was a way to increase the wealth of the slave owners. Well my last name is carmickle. Copyright 2019 - 2023 Ireland Before You Die | Trading under, THE BLACK IRISH: Who were they? Gallagher 15. Black Irish Books, publishing house of American author Steven Pressfield. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Black people with names with Mc in them likely acquired them in one of four ways: they could be descendants of slaves who were owned by an Irish or Scottish slaveowner. Instead of having to round up the rebellious and often unreliable Irish, the African trade was already packaged and ready for sale. I dont expect people to spot the difference between the Scottish Planters who shared Gaelic names and were approved to move into Ireland and take the land to quell the natives. This Irish surname is of a prominent Derry sept. Its origin can be traced back to Mac Giolla osa, meaning "son of the devotee of Jesus". And this is how blacks ended up with Irish last names. What is NOT true is the absurd Idea that slavers bread African Slaves with Irish women to create more profitable slaves. One issue was the Federal Government vs Individual States rights. The Irish landowners where Protestant and therefore considered British. Where they were made to feel unwelcome, they headed for the hills, which is why we have the Appalachian populations, and others like them, populating those hills to this day. Even then these were primarily yes men and traitors, easily disposed of and replaced. They are also from Donegal and Roscommon. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission. And when the draft riots kicked off in New York city a lot of those Irish and Italians turned their hatred and attention on the African Americans!!! So stupid its almost funny, but instead its depressing cuz its so ignorant and shows how gullible these liberal assholes are, just looking for someone elses cause to bear cuz they gotta help those poor, downtrodden folks recover their true histories, and file a lawsuit against the government so they can assimilate into modern society and buy organic and get a job in IT or in the arts or a good non-profit..fuck you. Many Irish were American slaveholders, some had even once been indentured servants at one time and after serving their indentured term went on to own a slave or two or several. also England is a lot rougher place to live than Ireland the ira keep the drugs out of catholic communitys. When enslaving whites/Christians became illegal in the U.S., the newly released white indentured servants became crackers/overseers and many became slave owners themselves. I wonder if the Irish will be told to get over it already the same way African Americans and Canadians are told. From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. That is the most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard. Then after a time the law change and blacks were considered chattel so therefore were unable to buy their freedom. So it comes as no surprise that no matter where you go, you tend to run into classic Irish names. Notable Cunninghams include American professional basketball player Dante Cunningham and football quarterback Randall Cunningham. Were these apprentices chattel? Others you may not be as familiar with outside of Ireland are Whelan ( Faolin in Gaelic) and OKeeffe ( Caoimh in Gaelic). Count DanielOMahonywas a general in the Irish Brigade and is one of the most famous people with the surname OMahoney. The subject of Irish slavery is not spoken about too much. This was brought about by many different factors and not just slavery as most people seem to think. http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=dudley, Claims its origins are Anglo-Saxon name associated with Worcestershire, England: it made things a whole lot easier to change their names. Famous Flynns include actors Errol Flynn and Brandon Flynn. Thus leaving no question that they were property and not human in the eyes of planters, The Irish already had last names in English, most Irish names are now written in English. Africans had names that made no sense to the English speaking enslavers, so they gave them English names. Whether you think indentured servitude and slavery are the same is a matter of semantics, but it was on no way even close to the chattel slavery faced by blacks. Maybe this should spoken more of, because Im sure I didnt learn this in my student years. I have some European and native American ancestry, but I claim African American only!!! The predominant slave owners were not Irish. One of the most famous OConnells is singer-songwriter Billie Eilish who was born Billie Eilish Pirate Baird OConnell. many were actually dark skinned black irish. Keiran is an Irish and Scottish name that literally means black or dark. When such a small society is reduced in such a short time by nearly half (during the famine) theres a whole host of socio-phycological problems that ensue, one youll be familiar with we often make light of now a days when it comes to The Irish is: alcoholism, but also extreme poverty, broken families, etc, which Im sure you can relate with as a member of the African American community in the United States am I right? I am sure that the Irish were treated as less than other white settlers, but to say their treatment was equal to or worse than the treatment of African slaves is not probable. I was investigating the origin of my very Irish name FRAN MCCARTHY! Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) about Irish surnames. The Irish were endentured servants. One of the most famous people with the surname Maguire is actor Tobey Maguire. Who were you responding to? But why are these fanatics so triggered and butthurt about this, why they try to deny this crime so obsessively? So, no, Irish did not get to keep their names, they got to keep their anglicized names, just like African slaves. The Irish are ignorant beasts of the field!!!! Probably. My Uncle Lon, born in the U.S. was shot in the head by the KKK in Sudbury Massachusetts back in the twenties. This article is merely an attempt to connect whites to Deuteronomy within the KJV Bible. I would like to share this article on Facebook but do not see a Facebook icon to share the link. Now White people want to say Okay, no more racism, you keep what you have and Ill keep what I have after tilting the field in their favor for decades. Daly 25. The O or preceding a second name means the grandson of or descendant of and is a common feat in Irish surnames. Follow the links below to find out more about Irish last names. During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. King is one of the most famous people with this surname. The most prominent O'Conors were the Connacht clan of O'Conor . Irish victims are not victims enough? Oh my, I never heard about this. While the Irish did not have it good they had much better circumstances than slaves. There is a prevailing debate amongst the commentators that leaves me with strong feelings of indignation. I could be totally wrong on this but its what Ive read when I did my research. (I feel it necessary to elaborate because of your intellectual handicap. Although, the much to the contrary; if youve ever studied world history, youd realize that slavery has happened in just about every culture at one time or another and has been happening at every point in time in mankinds history including the present. What about the Irish in the south? 1) A good number of slave masters were Scotch-Irish. Interesting read. I watch an old Irish movie years ago and when the old lady washing her clothes in a pan was cursing someone saying what the rass cloth,. 1847 was known as "black 47." Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. The African slave adapted readily to the tropical conditions of the West Indies,but they had to be purchased, whereas the Irish were hunted down like rabbits in their homeland, and were free of charge for the taking. You dont have to accept their politics any more than you should be insisting on your own when interrupting the past. You did not cite any sources and Id love to research even further.